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Offline John Candy

Anyone for the "Tube"?
« on: Mar 20 2014 11:02 »
I have a hankering to add an emu (or two) to my collection and there are several which I particularly like.

Although brought up on the Southern (LSWR) and travelled extensively on their emu stock, it is other lines in which I have a greater interest.

In particular, LNWR Oerliken stock, LPTB surface (ex-District and Metropolitan) stock, Mersey Railway and even LPTB/LER "Standard" tube stock!

Anyone else have similar wish for such things and interested in participating in a project?

John
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Offline Geoff Nicholls

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #1 on: Mar 20 2014 19:40 »
that would be tempting, but I've got too much on the workbench at present. if I were, it would be the flat sided district line stock, they appear to have run some 2 car and even single car trains. I'd certainly be interested in seeing how you built the bogies and where you put the batteries.
Tim freeze has built a pannier in LPTB colours, perhaps he'd be interested.
Geoff.

Offline Peaky 556

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #2 on: Mar 20 2014 20:52 »
John
Maybe Mark can be persuaded to add a Smallbrook Junction module to Blackgang to allow interchange with 1923 Standard tube stock!
 ;) Tim

Offline John Candy

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #3 on: Mar 20 2014 21:06 »
Geoff,
Plan "A" would be to spread out the power cells under the longitudinal seats (with a 4-car train there should be room to conceal enough) : Plan "B" go prototypical and power via the third and fourth rails!

Tim,
That's a thought!
I went to school by train from Raynes Park in the 1960s and remember seeing the withdrawn and rather tatty looking "Standard" tube stock (still in faded red livery) stored in the goods yard on the "up" side at the London end of Wimbledon station in the mid-60's, presumably en-route to Eastleigh for conversion.

Regards,
John.
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Offline 454

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #4 on: Mar 20 2014 21:14 »
Thinking away from Metropolis:
1) How about the Grimsby & immingham Electric Railway of the GCR? It ran on reserved tracks & would sit beautifully in a dock scenario with tight curves & dock tanks etc. O/H equipment quite minimalistic. Period-wise covers pre-grouping to Beeching so could appeal to the Historic railway branch of the G3S as it's not too modern. However, a long bogie car is preserved at the Crich Tramway Village in Derbyshire finished in BR green with an early BR lion emblem on the side.

2) Tube train convoys could be seen being hauled through Chesterfield on the Midland main line en route to scrapping from time to time if I am not mistaken.

Dave
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Offline John Candy

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #5 on: Mar 20 2014 21:34 »
Last time I was at Crich, I took several photos of the Immingham car and bought a book on the Grimsby & Immingham line.

Cannot lay my hands on the book at the moment but it does have drawings of the cars (including the ex-Gateshead cars brought in to supplement the original fleet).

I was considering adding a tramway to my line but, on reflection, thought the overhead lines would be very susceptible to damage by birds, cats and squirrels!

Regards,
John.
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Offline 454

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #6 on: Mar 20 2014 21:59 »
John
My catenary has been in my garden for over 2 years in it's present format & we have cats, birds & squirrels & foxes visiting. The catenary has to date been totally unaffected. No excuses John, add your tramway.

Cheers

Dave
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Offline John Candy

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #7 on: Mar 21 2014 09:28 »
Dave,

Your catenary, I suspect, is raised well above the ground.

Mine would be at or near ground level and herons, sparring pheasants and even the occasional muntjac deer would make short work of demolishing it!

I am even hesitant about leaving signals and buildings outside.

I think I'll stick to 3rd/4th rail if I go with emus.

Regards,
John.
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Offline 454

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #8 on: Mar 21 2014 09:53 »
Gosh John I did not realise you were making a railway in a safari park!

Alas my catenary is of LGB design clipped to LGB 45mm track at ground level up & around my rockery powering my rack & pinion railway.

LGB trackage was always marketed by an elephant walking on it. Albeit without catenary fitted.

Bet you ain't got any elephants John?

I really am looking forward to your first open day.

Cheers
Dave
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Offline 492

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #9 on: Mar 21 2014 10:11 »
EMU's

I've always had a liking for Southern Railway EMU's, and London Transport stock. I was brought up in Dorking, my local station was Boxhill and Burford Bridge, so I was lucky enough to experience most types of Southern Electric stock, (as well as enjoying the pre-grouping locomotives and birdcage sets on the nearby SER line through Dorking).

I am having a 2HAL built for me by Peter Rogers, which should be ready in the near future. Peter also built the 2BIL which appears in some of our G3 publicity.

When I get my track finished, I intend to build some wooden bodied carriages and, if suitable motor bogies are available, an EMU. (I once made a 3 set of a Maunsell style Petrol Electric Unit, a type that should have been produced for the L & B Railway.)

Robert. 492

Offline John Branch

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #10 on: Jun 13 2019 12:39 »
I have recently been busy building District Railway F and G stock examples.  I have built the bogies using Slater's spoked wheels, with motors and gears from Technobots.  These all fit neatly below the car floor, and within the bogie frame envelope.  The remaining space below the floor will take up to 10AA cells, a small esc, radio receiver,
 and four servos to work the doors.  The wheelbase of the bogies is 7ft 10in .

To model tube stock would be more of a challenge, as the clearance below the floor would be around 25mm, and I believe the wheels protruded into the under-seat area.  probably do-able, but I'm not trying until the current job is complete!

John Branch

Offline Peaky 556

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #11 on: Jun 13 2019 13:45 »
Sounds to be a wonderfully well packaged underfloor John! I look forward very much to seeing it in action.
 What would be the wheelbase and tyre diameter for the tube stock?  Reason for asking is I’m wondering if you could get away with an internally geared small MFA motor with a small diameter (eg 1:1) rubber belt/pulley drive to the axle(s). As you are both a gearbox and sliding door specialist I’m sure you will do it!
Regards, Tim

Offline John Branch

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #12 on: Jun 14 2019 17:46 »
Tim,
Typical wheel tyre dia is around 2'31/2" to 2'7", wb around 6' 2 1/2" bogie total length 11' 5 1/2".  Top of floor from top of rail 2' 5 3/4".  Not a lot of room for suspension movement.  Wheels definitely protrude thro' floor.

Interestingly, I got this data as a result of someone making a FOI request-see below,


https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/various_tube_stock_technical_dra

Cheers, John

Offline John Candy

Re: Anyone for the "Tube"?
« Reply #13 on: Jun 14 2019 18:31 »
That is a useful set of drawings.
One of the most interesting "tube" units I saw was from a bridge over the throat of Morden Depot in the late 1950's.
What caught my eye was the fact that it was painted a shade of brown similar to LNER carriage paint. It was a set of very old stock in "departmental" use. I have since seen photos of a similar (if not the same) train in a scrap yard and it was 1919 Cammell Laird stock for the Bakerloo Line, latterly used as an "instructional" train.

John.
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