I've been asked by the Scottish owner of this huge G3 locomotive to help with its sale.
He is not a member of the Society but it is a private sale as far as I can tell. I have a number of good photographs of the model and scans of the original import documents, which I will forward to any Member who is seriously interested in purchasing it. I should also mention that I have advised the owner to contact the Spur II society in Germany.
The model is electrically powered and was imported by the current owner's (now deceased) brother in April 1984. I know very little about this particular area of Continental modeling - but it appears to be a limited edition model by a company called 'Magnus'. At the time of purchase this engine cost over 2,200 GBP - so it was a monster price as well! I should also warn you that the current owner expects the sale price to reflect some level of inflation over the past 25 years!
If anyone can throw some more light on 'Magnus' or these models generally - then I think that would be quite interesting to hear.
Regards,
Ian T
A 2-10-0 Kreigslok???
That would interesting on any track. The only MAGNUS that I know of is a company that repairs Superchargers and Magnetos near Wuppertal (they repair Gertrudes'). But in the same vein the sewing machine and chain saw in this house are made by the same Swedish Manufacturer...
regards
ralph
It is certainly a very impressive locomotive Ralph.
However, I suspect it would have trouble on most G3 tracks when it hit the curvy bits. At exhibitions people (usually from smaller gauges) have often told me "that you need very large radii curves to run anything G3".
I tell them that of course it depends on the engine - and that we've seen live steam 0-4-0's running on five-foot diameter circles at the AGM. This was Roger M's portable test track for quite a few years. So we know what is possible for smaller locos.
But with this mean machine - I wouldn't even try to argue the point. I have no idea what it would require in terms of minimum radii and would have to suspect it was built mainly for showcase display. Of course if any Member does decide to purchase it - I'd love to be proved wrong and see it running at a GTG.
Regards,
IanT
Hmmmm.. Debatable....
If it is a genuine working model of a Deutshe Reichsbahn class 52 Kreigslok then it should also be fitted with Kraus-Helmholtz Bogies to take far sharper curves than a standard Einheitslokomotive of the Bavarian type. It would be interesting to know it actually has them?
For more information see BOGIES.DOC in an as yet unpublished reference....
regards
ralph
For more info on Magnus see:
http://www.cumberlandmodelengineering.com/Magnus.html
http://www.magnusbahn.de/
For current price and availability info see the gauge II section at a dealer: http://fgb-berlin.de/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1&lang=en
And there are usually Magnus models for sale on ebay.de - search for magnus spur 2
Thanks Ian, but I don't understand the Continental standards. What's Gauge IIm? and Gauge IIf? What happened to "Spur" if they use the word "Gauge"?
If I'm correct, locos similar to the one for sale are about 15,000 Euros?
Reinforces Ian.T's note yesterday that we should all use "Gauge 3" - so much easier!
Mike
Spur means track and track II or spur II is 4' 8.5" standard gauge at 1:22.5 scale
Spur IIm is 1:22.5 scale on 1m gauge track (i.e. one type of narrow gauge)
The following is reproduced from http://www.spur-ii.de/english.html
II - Standard gauge 1435 mm - 64 mm gauge
IIm - Narrow gauge 1000 mm - 45 mm gauge
IIe - Narrow gauge 760-750 mm - 32 mm gauge
IIf - Slim and Industrial gauge less then 750 mm - 30/26,7 mm gauge
Thanks
Yes Ian - interesting how things developed differently in Germany. There is no '16mm' equivelent (that I am aware of) as I guess the availability of German LGB RTR took the large scale marketplace in a different direction. And from what I can gather 'Magnus' got going by batch building small quantities of top-end locos under contract to LGB.
LGB is Spur IIm in their parlance and as you say the Spur II guys are unified at the 'scale' (1:22.5) level and model across gauges. If you look at the Spur II website, then you can see multi-gauge layouts there. I'd guess there might be quite a few prototypical examples of standard gauge & metre gauge railways 'interacting' sur le Continent although I don't know how many.
When I was originally contacted by this loco's owner - I thought 'Magnus' rang a bell, but I could not place where. It was of course the Cumberland site in the US. Dave Queener had some G3 rolling stock for sale a few years ago and I looked at his website at that time. I think there is some new content on there since I last looked though.
Taking a closer look at the photos off the Magnus workshops there are several interesting ideas (inverted 'V' spray stands, multi 'O' ring drive bands from motor to bogie drive-shafts?) and that commercial spray booth makes my old cardboard box look more than a little primitive!
Ian T