For some while I have been thinking about building an inside-cylinder large passenger tank loco.
Preference is for an Atlantic tank, such as LNER C12 (ex-GNR) or C13 (ex-GCR) although the A5 4-6-2T (ex-GCR) would be an acceptable alternative.
The ex-LT&SR Tilbury tank (outside cylinders) is another favourite LMS group loco.
Is anyone interested in making this a joint effort?
My CAD skills are non-existent, so those skills would be an advantage when it comes to preparing drawings for laser cutting of frames, etc.
Many of the cast (whitemetal and resin) detailing parts I can produce.
Main body structure is proposed as being of brass or nickel silver on a steel running plate, although other materials could be used (e.g. heavy duty styrene sheet for tanks or plastic pipe for boiler).
John.
I'm not sure I'd actually build one John but I might be able to help you with some 2D CAD if you have some decent drawings to work to.
Most of my engines are GNR in origin, so I'd probably prefer the C12 (but the C13 is a very pretty engine).
Let's see what interest you get and we can talk about what needs doing.
Regards,
Ian T
Ian,
The C12 is my first choice.
The majority of GNR Ivatt locos combine "style" with functionality : I also like the D1/D2/D3/D4 4-4-0s.
I plonked GNR 4-4-2 C12 drawing in Google and got quite excited when the second entry on the first page of results pointed back to this forum!!!!
Had somebody else already proposed a model....do they have a drawing?
Well, when I clicked on the link, it pointed back to one of my own posts!
http://lakes-pages.com/gauge3.co.uk/G3Forum/index.php?topic=117.msg368#msg368
Going through the rest of the Google results, I came to Isinglass who offer a drawing in 10mm scale /Gauge1.
I have never used an Isinglass drawing but remember that they have been around for a very long time.
Question : Would an Isinglass drawing be considered good enough (sufficient basic dimensions marked) to produce a G3 model?
Regards,
John.
John,
I am a great fan of all things GCR, with things GNR coming a close second. It was my intention on joining the ranks of G3 to acquire a small stud of GCR locos. To date I have a battery-powered N5 and a beautiful coal-fired Immingham 4-6-0 built by the very talented Roger Marsh. Unfortunately civil engineering, extensive track laying and acquiring rolling stock are my next priorities. In the short term I could not participate in your proposed project. I would however be very interested in the medium term.
This I know is no help to you but I cannot pass up a chance to plug the GCR. The C13 s where very elegant and the A5 s very imposing ( the latter were our local station pilots when I was a Kid ). GCR or GNR ? I would hope your tentative proposal gains support whatever the prototype.
Regards,
Roger.
Being the Gauge '3' Pirate and Didcot C & W restoration volunteer, I would naturally go for a GW 7200 class 2-8-2 Tank. These little brutes had a tractive effort effort of something like 33,000lbs, and could haul 75 plus loaded coal trains.
Ian the Gauge '3' Pirate.
Hi John,
A while ago - I drew up the CAD for a Shilden-Newport locomotive from some fairly good photos, using the wheels as a scaling reference. Shortly after completing the CAD - Adrian B kindly (?) sent me a copy of the original GA and of course it soon became apparent that just about all of my 'first-pass' drawing was slightly 'off' in various areas.
Since I could not see too much point in building something that I knew was "not quite right" - I decided to start the CAD over from scratch - albeit with not quite the same initial enthusiasm, as I had moved across to one of my other (many!) projects by then.
The lesson I learned here was that if you can get the original GA drawings - then do that first - in preference to any other sources. So I would suggest that our first port of call should be to the reference library at the NRM to see if they have the GA of the C2 (GRN). If they don't have them - then OK look for other sources of info (or decide to build something that they do have! :D )
It's a while since I spent a happy afternoon up in York in their reference library (you have to pre-book a seat) and I did go a bit overboard ordering prints for all the goodies I was interested in at the time. It also came as a shock when the Librarian told me how much the bill for my requested copies was going to be!
However, this is the best way to go and I assume that the NRM will accept telephone/written orders if you are specific about the Railway and engine class you need? Perhaps someone has more recent experience in this area and can advise?
Regards,
Ian T
Quote from: IanT on Jan 28 2011 09:55
It's a while since I spent a happy afternoon up in York in their reference library (you have to pre-book a seat) and I did go a bit overboard ordering prints for all the goodies I was interested in at the time. It also came as a shock when the Librarian told me how much the bill for my requested copies was going to be!
Ian - you don't need to book in the new 'Search Engine' at the NRM.
I went in there last October, only an hour before closing on a Saturday afternoon. The very helpful staff quickly got me into the relevant catalogue for what I was looking for (G.A. drawing for a MR 0-6-0T), then armed with a list of potentially useful drawing numbers they found them in the microfiche (but would have got the original out of the store if it had not been copied) for me to check that it was what I wanted.
I then ordered a print of the one I wanted.
They will provide drawing copies against a description (order form on the web site), with the caveat that they obviously can't be held responsible if it turns out not to be what you wanted.
At £7 or more per copy, the costs can quickly add up! And copies can take up to 6 weeks to arrive.
It is a brilliant facility though - very extensive collection of books that I could have spent hours browsing through too!
As mentioned above, the staff are knowledgable and helpful.
Andy
And there are other sources of GA drawings, such as line societies, or individuals who have made their speciality known through writing books etc. Its surprising what is out there, but its dispersed.
I'd agree with Ian that working from a modellers drawing is likely to be a big disappointment unless you know well the person who drew it.
Mike
John,
Just a note on my experience with NRM. I made an email request to ask if they had drawings of GCR bogie fish wagons. They emailed me back the entire LNER Gorton section of the drawing register. They said if I let them know the drawing and roll numbers of interest, they would have them ready for inspection when I arrived. The drawing list was a mine of information, well beyond the scope of my original request. This approach may save you some searching.
Roger.
John,
A couple of points I missed on my last post. The GCR Society archives are stacked in a garage and are not accessible but the GNR Society archivist, Mr Terry Henderson, proved incredibly helpful when I contacted him re Howlden coaches. I don't know what locomotive drawings they have. Maybe worth a call if GNR is of interest.
If you know all this already, please ignore.
Roger.