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Offline cabbage

Cpr has to build carriages..
« on: Sep 05 2020 10:07 »
Does anyone have a current catalogue from Locomotive Design? Could they check if there are any LNER "Teaks" plans available - please

Regards

Ralph

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Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #1 on: Sep 05 2020 10:27 »
Ralph

Just checked mine, it's about a year old, can't see any teaks listed.

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Offline John Candy

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #2 on: Sep 05 2020 10:49 »
Ralph,
Isinglass will provide their drawings in G3 ..... I have worked on locos from their offerings and they are "adequate"for modelling.
I have seen Locomotive Designs drawings for GNR coaching stock and they were incorrect ..... the "layering", in particular, did not "stack up".
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Offline cabbage

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #3 on: Sep 05 2020 11:13 »
John,
Who are Isinglass? The only Isinglass I know of - is added to beer!

Regards

Ralph

Offline John Candy

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #4 on: Sep 05 2020 11:50 »
https://www.isinglass-models.co.uk/Isinglass_Catalogue_May-2019.pdf

Link to LNER drawings catalogue.
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Offline cabbage

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #5 on: Sep 05 2020 12:06 »
Well thats pretty comprehensive! Now to find out which ones I want?

Something with a four wheel bogie and not much over 60',  3rd corridor, and a brake.

Regards

Ralph

Offline Doddy

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #6 on: Sep 05 2020 14:57 »
Well thats pretty comprehensive! Now to find out which ones I want?

Something with a four wheel bogie and not much over 60',  3rd corridor, and a brake.

Regards

Ralph

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Offline Doddy

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #7 on: Sep 05 2020 15:16 »
Options Ralph?
  • 3rd Class 61' 6" Gresley Tourist open brake 3rd class GN section 152-A 169
  • 3rd Class 61' 6" Gresley Tourist brake 3rd (N.E.A) and Open Brake 3rd (S.S.A.) 153-A 179 308
  • 3rd Class 61' 6" Gresley Corridor brake 3rd class 5 compartments 158-A 37 37a
  • 3rd Class 61' 6" Gresley corridor brake 3rd class open (4 bay) 183-A 191
  • 3rd Class 61' 6" Gresley corridor brake 3rd (3 compartmentsd with end vestiibule) 603-A 301
  • 3rd Class 61' 6" Thompson corridor brake 3rd class (4 compartments) 270-A 343
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Offline IanT

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #8 on: Sep 05 2020 17:08 »
Well thats pretty comprehensive! Now to find out which ones I want?

Something with a four wheel bogie and not much over 60',  3rd corridor, and a brake.

Regards

Ralph

Well I think "Historic Carriage Drawings - Volume 1 LNER & Constituents" (Nick Campling) would be your friend here Ralph.

How about (ex GNR) Howlden 45ft Bogie stock - would they fit your bill?  Pages 94/95 show the Compo Brake, Compo Lav. & Third Brake.  We have access to modern technology should this be of interest to you!

 :-)

Regards,

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Offline Chris_P

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #9 on: Sep 05 2020 18:05 »
Another work of reference which may help is British Railways Pre-Nationalisation Coaching Stock Volume 1 GWR & LNER  by Hugh Longworth published by Crecy in 2018 which provides a comprehensive list of coaches build details and running numbers.   It includes outline diagrams and references drawings.  I assume the GRS kits were not what you want.

Offline cabbage

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #10 on: Sep 05 2020 21:22 »
I have "GNR and ECM joint stock" to give me ideas. I am rather taken by the articulated 104' sets as these would navigate the corners with ease. Now that the technology has developed I plan to rebuild NER No.13 and have it pull a short rake of teaks. As it stands now No.13 is a good model but a terrible loco...

Regards

Ralph

Offline cabbage

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #11 on: Sep 11 2020 08:05 »
Right, I have forked out £40 for the two sets of drawings. I opted for the 103' 4" twin 3rd class and the 103' 4" ordinary twin 3rd class brake. This give me about as much coach as I can put onto my platforms (2.4m).

How they articulate is something I have yet to find out. Is it a simple double pivot or something more interesting?

Regards

Ralph

Offline Doddy

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #12 on: Sep 11 2020 10:14 »
Right, I have forked out £40 for the two sets of drawings. I opted for the 103' 4" twin 3rd class and the 103' 4" ordinary twin 3rd class brake. This give me about as much coach as I can put onto my platforms (2.4m).

How they articulate is something I have yet to find out. Is it a simple double pivot or something more interesting?

Regards

Ralph

Well Ralph, this is another lesson into how to ask questions whilst providing vague information.

I presume these are LNER bogies? Length? Bogie Frame Type? Does the supplier of said drawings have the actual articulated bogie drawings in stock?

The LNER Pullman bogies used a central pivot, the GNER suburban stock uses two pins by the looks of the photo.
https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/uploads/monthly_08_2015/post-1730-0-41098600-1440858691_thumb.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/7225/7028945549_b0b70613ea_b.jpg

Nice blog on the single pivot and LNER bogie fabrication

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/102547-1951-pullman-scratchbuild-in-132/


Third Class Articulated Restaurant and Kitchen Cars

https://steve-banks.org/images/historical/coaches/lner_rts/sj_rts_r_1500_1000_72.jpg
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Offline John Candy

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #13 on: Sep 11 2020 10:15 »
I have a close-up photo and drawing of the arrangement which I will scan and email.
A cup arrangement pivot is midway between the carriage ends.

Regards,
John.
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Offline cabbage

Re: Cpr has to build carriages..
« Reply #14 on: Sep 11 2020 11:48 »
John, this looks straight out of the SLM design manual. I am not sure when the Jakobsen bogie was patented - but that looks awfully familiar!!! As I have a few drawings of "pukha" Jakobsens, and formulae, I will use those. But for now; " a mug of tea, a cheese sarnie and plans to read in my orchard"...

Regards

Ralph